Connecting the teaching of Gunabhadra and Bodhidharma, Nyogen Roshi points toward the profound implications of both teachers’ emphasis on pacifying the mind. “You can’t conceptualize this,” Roshi says. “If you keep judging it–yes or no, good or bad, I want to understand it–there is the separation. And that’s the difference between enlightenment and delusion, suffering or bliss.”